NYPD’s ‘STOP & FRISK’ Policy Ruled UNCONSTITUTIONAL By Federal Judge – But NOT On ‘CBS 2 News at 6PM’!

 

NYPD’s ‘stop-and-frisk’ practice unconstitutional, judge rules

 


http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/12/us-usa-newyork-police-idUSBRE97B0FK20130812

 

(Reuters) – A U.S. judge ruled on Monday the New York Police Department’s “stop-and-frisk” crime-fighting tactic was unconstitutional, dealing a stinging rebuke to Mayor Michael Bloomberg, who vowed to appeal the ruling.

 

U.S. District Judge Shira Scheindlin called it “indirect racial profiling” because it targeted racially defined groups, resulting in the disproportionate and discriminatory stopping of tens of thousands of blacks and Hispanics while the city’s highest officials “turned a blind eye”, she said.

 

“No one should live in fear of being stopped whenever he leaves his home to go about the activities of daily life”, Scheindlin wrote in her opinion.

 

But Bloomberg stood his ground. “People also have a right to walk down the street without being killed or mugged”, he said at a news conference, repeating his conviction that the program resulted in a drastic reduction in crime that made New York the “poster child” for safe U.S. cities.

 

Political pundits said the ruling would tarnish Bloomberg’s legacy and may trip up NYPD Commissioner Raymond Kelly, who President Barack Obama has indicated may be a possible nominee for U.S. secretary of homeland security.

TABACCO: Wouldn’t that be wonderful! 21st century RACISM is alive and well in New York City – not just Florida, Texas, North Carolina, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Virginia etc. etc.!

 

“It will be a heavy lift to designate someone who’s been excoriated by a federal judge for civil rights violations”, said Eugene O’Donnell, a former police officer and prosecutor who is a professor at New York’s John Jay College of Criminal Justice.

 

 

As part of her ruling, Scheindlin ordered the appointment of an independent monitor and other immediate changes to police policies.

 

 

Her “remedies” address two lawsuits, one brought by the New York Civil Liberties Union (NYCLU) and the other by the Center for Constitutional Rights.

 

Several black and Hispanic men named as plaintiffs gathered at a CCR press conference, some choking back tears as they cheered the ruling for exposing racial profiling by U.S. authorities.

 

“When I got the call this morning the first thing I did was cry”, said David Ourlicht, 25, who was stopped at St. John’s University in Queens in 2008, ostensibly for walking in a suspicious way with a bulge under his winter clothing.

 

“It’s a really good picture of what’s going on in society”, said Ourlicht, who is a mixed race man of black and white heritage.

 

Bloomberg told reporters his administration will appeal the ruling. That will take place as soon as the monitor makes any kind of request, at which time the city will seek an immediate stay pending the outcome of the appeal, said Corporation Counsel Michael Cardozo.

 

Bloomberg has resisted interference in his police policies, especially that of stopping, questioning and frisking anyone for “reasonable suspicion” in high-crime areas. An added benefit, he said at the press conference, was “the possibility of being stopped acts as a vital deterrent.”

TABACCO: Bloomberg “has resisted interference” because he approves of ‘Stop & Frisk’. He has stated so publicly! 90% of all ‘reasonably suspicious’ persons “stopped and frisked” in NYC are BLACK! Perhaps Bloomberg and Kelly are saying subliminally that BLACK SKIN is in and of itself SUSPICIOUS!

 

Most people doing time in prison today are there for illicit drug offenses. Since studies have shown that whites use illicit drugs at virtually the same rate as Blacks, I fail to see how RACIAL PROFILING OF BLACKS will do anything to remediate the situation except among Black scofflaws. Apparently both Bloomberg and Kelly are advocates of the philosophy “If Blacks break Drug Laws, they must go to prison; if Whites break Drug Laws and we are not watching, then no Law was broken”.

 

The mayor has sought to preserve a legacy that includes a 30 percent reduction in violent crime since 2001, the year he was first elected. Bloomberg will leave office on January 1 after 12 years in office.

 

All four leading candidates in next month’s Democratic mayoral primary have taken a stand against “stop and frisk”, but none of them has said they would abolish the police practice.

 

 

The judge, who presided over the nine-week trial without a jury, ruled that the effectiveness of “stop and frisk” was irrelevant.

 

TABACCO: Hallelujah! It’s about time somebody said that! That same logic applies to Obama’s secret programs, which invade the privacy of American Citizens without Warrants re uncovering alleged terrorists’ plots!

 

Perhaps all Judges and ALL Elected Politicians should be required to take a rigorous course in Constitutional Law and a course in Logic/Syllogistic Reasoning!

 

“Many police practices may be useful for fighting crime -preventive detention or coerced confessions, for example – but because they are unconstitutional, they cannot be used, no matter how effective,” the ruling said.

 

Scheindlin’s ruling was not surprising. She has almost single-handedly overseen lawsuits against the NYPD’s stop and frisk program after being randomly selected to preside over a lawsuit following the 1999 shooting of Amadou Diallo, an unarmed black man, by the NYPD’s now-disbanded Street Crime Unit. Police Commissioner Kelly has complained that Scheindlin favors civil liberties groups.

 

In her ruling, Scheindlin said police officers felt pressure to increase the number of stops after Bloomberg took office in January 2002 and brought in Kelly as police commissioner.

 

As a result, officers often frisked young minority men for weapons or searched their pockets for contraband before letting them go, in a violation of the Constitution’s Fourth Amendment that protects against unreasonable searches and seizures, the judge said in her 195-page decision.

 

The judge selected as the monitor Peter Zimroth, 70, who once worked as the city’s top lawyer from 1987 to 1989.

The judge also ordered the NYPD to adopt a written policy specifying circumstances where stops are authorized; adopt a trial program requiring the use of body-worn cameras in one precinct in each of the city’s five boroughs; and to set up a community-based remedial process under a court-appointed facilitator.

 

(Additional reporting by Joseph Ax, Chris Francescani, Jonathan Stempel, Francesca Trianni and Jonathan Allen; Editing by Daniel Trotta and Eric Walsh)

 

Next, you will read what CBS has done with this story. Pay close attention because CBS tells an almost entirely different story from Reuters! This is one of the clearest examples of why you cannot – must not trust the Mainstream Media!

 

Refer to my Post:

THE 11 CATEGORIES OF LYING! But Black & White Are Not Among Them. I Divide All Lies Into 2 Groups: I) Bad Intentions And II) Not So Bad Intentions.

http://tabacco.t-a-b-a-c-c-o.org/?p=428

 

Note particularly Items 4: Silent Lie, 5: Partial Lie & 6: Misdirection Lie – CBS is Guilty of all these Variations in its handling of this story. Unfortunately, I was unable to cover NBC and ABC at the same time. All of CBS’s ‘Lies of Omission’ are of the ‘Bad Intentions’ variety.

 

 

TABACCO: I transcribed the CBS 2 News at 6PM on August 13, 2013. This report lasted exactly 2-minutes (Yes, I timed it)! When you read this transcription, see if you notice any major differences between CBS’ report below and the Reuters’ report above! Then ask yourself why these differences (deletions) were made by CBS! Finally, ask yourself what CBS was trying to accomplish with these differences – read that OMISSIONS!

 

The Transcription by Tabacco:

Dana Tyler: A Blockbuster ruling from a Federal Judge will not mean the end of Stop And Frisk, but one way or another it will likely mean changes for this controversial police practice.

 

CBS News’ Tony Aiello here with more, Tony!

 

Tony Aiello: Dana, the changes could be in tone with a new Mayor taking office soon, perhaps in tactics for future stops, even new technology to monitor what goes down during a stop and frisk.

 

(Video Tape of a Stop & Frisk encounter running in background)

Unidentified Reporter: Several US Departments are testing body worn video, a camera to capture a record of encounters between police and the public.

 

Federal Judge, Shira Scheindlin, has ordered the NYPD to test body worn video to help a court appointed monitor better understand conflicting claims about stop and frisk.

 

Sunita Patel, Center For Constitutional Rights (on videotape): She’s having to determine what actually happened based on people’s factual recitation of what happened.

 

So she’s saying, “Look if we have body worn cameras, it will really solve some of the problems.”

 

Mayor Mike Bloomberg: It would be a nightmare…

 

Unidentified Reporter: Mayor Bloomberg scoffs at the Judge’s call for cameras on cops. But an expert, who has studied body worn video, is a believer.

 

Professor David Harris, University of Pittsburgh: It got people to behave better in front of them because they knew they were being recorded, and it often backed up police in situations in which civilians had lodged complaints against them.

 

Unidentified Reporter: Professor David Harris says the Stop and Frisk Ruling is being scrutinized across the country. Many police departments use the tactic to fight crime, and, as in New York, debates have followed.

 

Unidentified Black Male Pedestrian: It helps us as citizens walk the streets and know that we’re safe now.

 

 Unidentified Black Female Pedestrian: It personally makes me feel intimidated.

 

Unidentified Reporter: Big city Mayors, including Philadelphia’s Michael Nutter (also Black), settled lawsuits claiming Stop & Frisk led to Racial Profiling. Bloomberg is fighting back, but his successor may change direction.

 

Professor David Harris, Nobody’s going to get rid of Stop & Frisk! It’s here to stay; it’s been around for decades. What will change is Policy, Training, Supervision and the way this is done in the field, whether it is emphasized to the exclusion of other things

 

Tony Aiello: Mayor Bloomberg says the NYPD does not racially profile and insists Stop & Frisk has saved thousands of lives. The Department is expected to continue using this tactic during the Appeals process. Dana!

 

Dana Tyler: Tony, thank you!

 

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Now the CBS Report repeated with Tabacco’s comments interspersed!

Dana Tyler: A Blockbuster ruling from a Federal Judge will not mean the end of Stop And Frisk, but one way or another it will likely mean changes for this controversial police practice.

 

CBS News’ Tony Aiello here with more, Tony!

 

Tony Aiello: Dana, the changes could be in tone with a new Mayor taking office soon, perhaps in tactics for future stops, even new technology to monitor what goes down during a stop and frisk.

TABACCO: According to this CBS report, the only Judicial Ruling was that NYPD cops should wear body cameras! If you looked at the screen away from Dana Tyler, up in the right hand corner, you would see the word ‘Unconstitutional’.

 

If you were merely listening to the report or watching Dana Tyler, you would miss that silent word. I missed it myself the 1st time I saw this report.

 

The rest of the report is ambiguous, argumentative and lacking in the Judge’s actual Ruling! How’s that for MSM LIES, HALF-TRUTHS & MISDIRECTIONS!

 

(Video Tape of a Stop & Frisk encounter running in background)

Unidentified Reporter: Several US Departments are testing body worn video, a camera to capture a record of encounters between police and the public.

 

Federal Judge, Shira Scheindlin, has ordered the NYPD to test body worn video to help a court appointed monitor better understand conflicting claims about stop and frisk.

 

Sunita Patel, Center For Constitutional Rights (on videotape): She’s having to determine what actually happened based on people’s factual recitation of what happened.

 

So she’s saying, “Look if we have body worn cameras, it will really solve some of the problems.”

 

Mayor Mike Bloomberg: It would be a nightmare…

 

Unidentified Reporter: Mayor Bloomberg scoffs at the Judge’s call for cameras on cops. But an expert, who has studied body worn video, is a believer.

 

Professor David Harris, University of Pittsburgh: It got people to behave better in front of them because they knew they were being recorded, and it often backed up police in situations in which civilians had lodged complaints against them.

TABACCO: Those body worn cameras have more of an effect on Police Officers, who always know when their own cameras are rolling and “behave better in front of them because they knew they were being recorded”.

 

When Police cameras are NOT ROLLING, that’s when mistreatment, profiling, beatings etc. occur. Police even confiscate personal cameras of bypassers, who dare photograph these police encounters when police go BALLISTIC – and not just on Black folks! Professor David Harris seems to have forgotten and omitted those points!

 

Unidentified Reporter: Professor David Harris says the Stop and Frisk Ruling is being scrutinized across the country. Many police departments use the tactic to fight crime, and, as in New York, debates have followed.

 

Unidentified Black Male Pedestrian: It helps us as citizens walk the streets and know that we’re safe now.

 

 Unidentified Black Female Pedestrian: It personally makes me feel intimidated.

TABACCO: The problem here – and the MSM does this all the time – is that you can always find someone, who will argue whichever side of the story you seek to present a proponent for – even rank & file Black Republicans can be found if that’s what you’re looking for. My own brother is one – at least on Election Days. He would object to that characterization because he thinks he really is a Republican. Can you say, “R.I.N.O.” (Republican In Name Only)

 

Unidentified Reporter: Big city Mayors, including Philadelphia’s Michael Nutter (also Black), settled lawsuits claiming Stop & Frisk led to Racial Profiling. Bloomberg is fighting back, but his successor may change direction.

TABACCO: That’s the only time the phrase ‘Racial Profiling’ was used on the CBS report, and then only by an Unidentified Reporter, referring to the Black Philadelphia Mayor, not the White Female Federal Judge, who ruled ‘Stop & Frisk’ Unconstitutional!

 

Professor David Harris, Nobody’s going to get rid of Stop & Frisk! It’s here to stay; it’s been around for decades. What will change is Policy, Training, Supervision and the way this is done in the field, whether it is emphasized to the exclusion of other things.

It seems Professor David Harris was selected by CBS 2 News at 6PM with an Agenda in mind already!

 

Tony Aiello: Mayor Bloomberg says the NYPD does not racially profile and insists Stop & Frisk has saved thousands of lives. The Department is expected to continue using this tactic during the Appeals process. Dana!

TABACCO: One would hardly expect Mayor Bloomberg to admit the NYPD uses RACIAL PROFILING, now would one! And I dare say that RACIALLY PROFILING WHITE FOLKS would have saved just as many lives, perhaps even a few Black ones!

 

I am absolutely certain that Trayvon Martin would be alive today if George Zimmerman had been required to wear a body camera! How about Amadou Diallo, etc. etc!


Googled ‘black men shot and killed by police’

 

Dana Tyler: Tony, thank you!

 

 

TABACCO: Yes, I applaud the Judge’s Ruling that NYPD officers wear body cameras to substantiate both their Unprovoked Attacks and their Racial Profiling!

 

And I demand that CBS tell the Truth, the Whole Truth and NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH so help them God!

 


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2 Responses to NYPD’s ‘STOP & FRISK’ Policy Ruled UNCONSTITUTIONAL By Federal Judge – But NOT On ‘CBS 2 News at 6PM’!

  1. admin says:

    Q. Tabacco, do you “spin” your Posts like you say ‘CBS 2 NEWS at 6PM’ did here?

    A. You bet your booty I do! But there is a MAJOR DIFFERENCE: ‘CBS 2 NEWS at 6PM’ attempted to ‘Camouflage’ the Truth and “spin” the story to benefit the Unconstitutional Policies of the NYPD and Mayor Bloomberg; Tabacco attempts to ‘EXPOSE’ the Truth! And that’s a humongous difference!

    If only Tabacco could interview Judge Shira Scheindlin, I would ask her which Post is more valid re her Ruling – A) Reuters or B) CBS 2 News at 6PM! And we all know what her answer would be!

    Tabacco

    PS I see the Federal Government has finally acknowledged there is an ‘Area 51′ – but no acknowledgement of ET! At least we’re making Progress!

  2. admin says:

    (Cross talk)

    GREGORY: So, if we lose stop-and-frisk…
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    MR. KELLY: But I understand– I understand the sensitivity of it. And people– and I’ve dealt with this in many community meetings. It’s something that is very important in the African-American community. I would also submit, though, that the Trayvon Martin case is a little bit different. These are two civilians. It clearly was a tragedy but it didn’t involve sworn police officers.

    GREGORY: The mayor has been outspoken on this issue, and I wonder if you agree as a police commissioner. You have a debate for who’s going to be the next mayor of New York City. If a program like stop-and-frisk is abandoned, will people die?

    MR. KELLY: Well, I think no question about it, violent crime will go up. And again, this is not a program. This is something that’s integral to policing. This happens throughout America in any police jurisdiction. You have to do it. Officers have to have the right of inquiry if they see some suspicious behavior. So, I can assure you, this is not just a New York City issue; it’s an issue throughout America. And this case has to be appealed, in my judgment, because it will be taken as a template and have significant impact in policing throughout America.

    GREGORY: Commissioner Kelly, we appreciate your time very much.
    —————–

    GREGORY: I want to welcome to the program now the mother of Trayvon Martin, Sybrina Fulton, and her attorney, Benjamin Crump. Also joining me here in the studio is President and CEO of the NAACP, Ben Jealous. Thank you for all of you joining me this morning. Ben, let me start with you. I underlined Commissioner Kelly saying the stark reality is that violence is happening disproportionately in minority communities with stop-and-frisk, lives are saved in those communities.

    MR. BEN JEALOUS (President and CEO, NAACP): So, this is the problem. You know we just heard a man who aspires to be the head of the Department of Homeland Security say that his officers have to violate the U.S. Constitution to make us safer. That should send chills down the spine of everyone in this country.

    GREGORY: He would take issue that there’s any violation going on, that’s why they’re appealing the decision, right?

    MR. JEALOUS: Well, that’s what a federal judge just found. All right that’s– and that, in our country, it’s the federal judge, not the chief, who gets to– to decide what the U.S. Constitution says. Now, the problem is that the fall in– in homicides happened prior to 2002, and the increase in stop-and-frisk happened after 2002. So, there’s no relationship between these two. We are now at a point where you have more stop-and-frisks of young black men in New York City than there are young black men in New York City. And that’s why Charles Blow said, and while the judge quoted him in saying, “It’s like burning down the house to rid it of mice.” Just because there are more murders in our community doesn’t mean that you can treat all of us like we are guilty. And furthermore, you should pay our communities the respect of actually listening to people when they say this is driving a wedge. This is making us less safe. It’s making our kids not just fear the robbers but fear the cops. And so, they’re afraid to go and talk to you when they need to go and talk to you. He’s just way off base. This is the largest racial– and let me take to this last point. He said, this is not a program. It is a program. Stop, question and frisk was introduced by Mayor Giuliani right after the Terry versus Ohio decision as a specific program in the city. Under Giuliani, we saw about 80,000 per year, under– stop-and-frisks, this racial profiling program. Under Bloomberg, in 2011, we had about 680,000–90 percent innocent, 90 percent people of color, and get this–99.9 percent don’t have a gun. About 700,000 stop-and-frisks, about 700 guns seized.

    MR. JEALOUS: We’ve got to go back to the founding principles of this country. When our founders were courageous enough to say we deserve to be both free and safe, and those who would give up freedom in the name of safety, don’t deserve either. And that’s why it’s so important that Trayvon’s family has stood up, that’s why it’s so important that so many will be standing up at the march in Washington next Saturday. That’s why it’s critical that we all come together and realize at the end of the day, this is not about race, this is about freedom. This is about people in this country being able to walk out the door and not fear the cops when they’re not doing anything wrong.
    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/52785617/ns/meet_the_press-transcripts/t/august-ray-kelly-sybrina-fulton-benjamin-crump-ben-jealous-richard-engel-sen-jack-reed-vali-nasr-robin-wright-robert-gibbs-rich-lowry-donna-edwards-chuck-todd/#.UhTvJYWx2Uc

    >> well, because quite frankly , effective police work focused on behavior is what gets guns off the street. stop and frisk doesn’t. you know, in 2011 , we had about 700,000 stop and frisks in the city. 680,000. and they pulled about 700 guns off the street. that means that 99.9% of the stop and frisks didn’t yield any guns. if you want to get 700 guns off the street, well, you can do it through a big seizure like they did today or do it by an effective gun buyback program . and either way , you would be much more effective than the amount of hours it takes, if you can imagine, to do 700,000 stop and frisks. sometimes involving one cop, sometimes involving multiple cops.

    >> naacp is, of course, a national organization, oldest civil rights organization in the u.s. you have chapters everywhere. why are you so focused on new york city and stop and frisk ? for folks who are watching who don’t live in new york city , is this bigger than new york city ?

    >> yes, this is the biggest racial profiling program in the country, biggest racial profiling k profiling, maybe in the world. mayor bloomberg tried to get the mayor of san francisco to replicate his program. back then he was saying it was a program. no now he’s trying to switch pr tactics. the mayor said thank you but no because it is just a phenomenal waste of resources and it’s not effective. i mean, just break this down, chris. you kind of roll the tape back a bit. back in 2002 , as kelly was taking over , he was very clear that he saw stop and frisk as dubious. he was very clear that actually he was against racial profiling . he’d come out of u.s. customs where he’d been very effective in increasing the productivity of searches by customs by ending racial profiling . he also said that you can’t really take credit for drop in crime. that it was like taking credit for an eclipse of the moon. and he, of course, was referring to his predecessor, bill bratton . bill bratton , three-quarters of the drop in homicides in new york city since its high point in the early 1990s –

    >> happened during that period.

    >> yeah, happened during that period.

    >> let me ask you this. you raise the specter of ray kelly . ray kelly has been a very stalwart defender of his department’s approach. believes genuinely he’s saving people’s lives. saving black and brown people ‘s lives. he’s been floated as possible head of dhs. given this policy and how associated with it, how stalwart defender, what do you think of the possibility of ray kelly being nominated to head dhs?

    >> i think that it is possible me get s nominated. i think if he gets nominated, he’ll face the fiercest opposition from the civil rights community that any person put forward by president obama ever has. it will be vocal and outspoken because he has chosen to be vocal and outspoken about racial profiling . i’m not sure that, frankly, he really believes in this. at the very least, he was against racial profiling before he was for if. he thought stop and frisk was dubious before he became its biggest champion. and –

    >> well, he’s definitely — there’s been a trajectory. there’s been some movement. i’m willing to grant. ben jealous from the naacp . thank you so much. i appreciate it.

    >> thank you, chris.

    >>> joining me now, ryan grim, washington bureau chief for the ” washington post .” ray kelly , head of new york city ‘s police department , which is a big job, on sunday shows talking about stop and frisk as a central issue, and i’m just curious, what was your read of the political subtext of those appearances?

    >> you know, he’s in a difficult position here because, you know, he’s been floated now for a long time as a likely pick here. i know obama tends to leave people out there for a long time. it happened to susan rice . it happened to larry summers . and it’s difficult. he’s most associated with stop and frisk , but like ben jealous said, he might not actually believe in it, but because he’s so associated with it, he just has to come out and say it. i thought it was awfully revealing of kind of where the media lead is, the way gregory came out and said, will this plead to more people dying? he essentially was baiting ray kelly to say if you change this policy, you will have blood on your hands . he sort of took the bait but didn’t exactly go there. he knows he’s in a really tough spot because this is such a controversial issue nationally. it doesn’t — it doesn’t wear as well nationally. if new york was the only city in the world, a lot of new yorkers often think it is, you’d think, oh, there was stop and frisk and crime came down so stop and frisk must have driven crime down. washington , we don’t do this. you don’t get asked for your papers, don’t get stopped by cops when you’re walking down the street in washington and crime has plummeted here. how do you explain that if you’re ray kelly ?

    >> what i think is fascinating, i’m curious what you think of this from your perch in washington , is we have seen i think in the wake of trayvon martin’s death and the acquittal of george zimmerman, the florida dream defenders down in florida, ray kelly , michael bloomberg , mayoral race and the judge’s decision and the president’s comments on this, this remarkable confluence, unlike any i’ve ever seen that put this issue, our criminal justice system , racial profiling within it. its disproportionate effect on black and brown people . right in the center of the national debate. is it being felt in washington where it has, in my opinion, for years been complete ll lly absent?

    >> yeah, it very much is and it really is for the first time in more than 20 years, because, you know, republicans ran effectively, you know, through the late ’60s and ’70s and into the ’80s painting democrats as soft on crime. so they did the same thing they did with welfare reform . they said, we’re not going to win this issue, let’s just throw them under the bus. they got really tough on crime. you know, joe biden was really kind of the leading drug warrior in the senate, both republican and democratic. and that kind of took the issue off the table and instead of there being a debate about it, it was who was tougher. who could get more, you know, who could rough more people up, who could be more in favor of more police on the streets who would give them more military-grade weapons –

    >> longer sentences.

    >> exactly.

    >> this is the thing, this is the key truth, ryan , if an issue in washington is not being debated by democrats and republicans, it ceases to exist. no matter how much effect it has on lives of millions of americans. msnbc contributor ryan grim. thank you so much.
    http://video.msnbc.msn.com/all-in-/52797195#52797195

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