COMICS AS ‘SUBGROUP’ OF COMEDIANS
CAN A SERIOUS ACTOR REALLY BE FUNNY – PARTICULARLY IF HE LOOKS LIKE TOM HANKS!
Comic vs. Comedian: What’s the Difference?
A comic is a comedian; a comedian isn’t necessarily a comic. It’s the square and the rectangle argument (for nerds who remember geometry AND read this blog).
This entry is dedicated to defining and understanding the differences between a comic, which is short for stand-up comic, and a comedian, who performs comical material.
Stand-up comedy is the art of standing on stage and performing material to elicit laughs from the crowd. Someone who does this same thing, but does not necessarily elicit laughs from the crowd, is called a spoken word artist. Their intention is not to get laughs; it is more like a political speech or professor’s lecture.
Examples of comics are Bill Hicks, Mitch Hedberg, and Lisa Lampanelli. An example of a spoken word artist is Henry Rollins.
Tabacco: I don’t know any of those folks! I cannot say that I’m sorry!
“Comedian” is a much broader term. A comedian is someone, who performs comedic material in order to elicit laughs. This can be accomplished through acting in movies. Examples of movie actors, who are comedians, would be Bill Murray or Tom Hanks.
Tabacco: This is why current Hollywood Films & TV Sitcoms ain’t funny no more! Bill Murray? Barely and only in something with very good comedy writers – I like him a lot in ‘Tootsie’, but he elicited laughs from me the way George Burns did with Gracie – duh! Hoffman and Allen were the funny ones!
GIVE HANKS A ‘FUNNY’ CONCEPT & YOU WILL SMILE!
As for Tom Hanks: I admire his Acting a lot! The closest Hanks ever came to being funny was ‘Forrest Gump’. And in that film he only had to act eccentric while making fun of a certain group’s idiosyncrasy. And he did it well while still being likeable!
He was also very likeable in ‘Big’ and with Daryl Hannah in ‘Splash’ (she stole the film) – that’s called ‘acting’ and ‘personality’, not comedy or laugh inducing! You may be confusing ‘likeability’ with comic abilities. What was funny was the CONCEPT, not Hanks! You laughed at the CONCEPT! Hanks would never have appeared on Sid Caesar’s ‘Show Of Shows’! Now those Guys were FUNNY!
If Hanks makes you laugh, you watch ‘2 & A Half Men’, ‘Big Bang Theory’ and you rolled up with laughter when Jerry ‘Seinfeld’ was in 1st Run! So please stop reading now; this Subject is way over your head!
Jack Palance would appear ‘funny’ holding Hannah in fishtails!
(To be fair, I wouldn’t call M&M ‘funny’ either without a humorous Concept! In ‘The Seven Year Itch’ Tom Ewell laughed with M&M, not at her! Most men and a lot of the women in Monroe’s audiences didn’t go to theaters just for Monroe’s Comedy!)
It can be accomplished through funny songs, such as done by artists Weird Al Yankovic or Dr. Demento. A comedian can host a variety show, like Conan O’Brien or David Letterman. It can be established through a radio show, like Howard Stern. Comedians can also perform team improvisation/”improve”, like on “Who’s Line is it Anyway?”. It can even be accomplished by doing stand-up comedy. Here’s where the square/rectangle argument comes into play.
Tabacco: Howard Stern is not now, never has been and never will be funny! He does outlandish pranks and pushes the boundaries, but he is NOT funny! And Stern is more Comic than Comedian under any definition! If we laugh, we laugh with Stern – not AT Stern!
Whenever I think of Stern, I am reminded of Eric Bogosian’s stellar performance in 1988’s ‘Talk Radio’.
Tabacco: That’s ONE definition, but it’s NOT the ONLY definition!
It is important to understand the difference between these two terms because of a lot of misconceptions about stand-up comics. Something I’ve addressed in past blogs is that many people who are not stand-up comics don’t really understand the process. They might think that comics use each other’s jokes or get jokes from joke books, or at the other end of the spectrum, they think that comics make up absolutely everything in their act on the fly and are just “naturally” funny. It’s also important to point out that not just anybody can be a stand-up comic. It is a very specific skill.
Another misconception is that since a stand-up comic is just one person on stage, anyone who has the confidence can simply get on stage and perform a stand-up comedy set. When people try stand-up for the first time, they quickly realize it’s not that simple. Often, many hours go into prepping sets and practicing on stage before a big show. When Tom Hanks, an academy-award winning comedian, was preparing for his role in the movie Punchline, he performed stand-up comedy in order to get into character. In an interview, he was quoted as stating that stand-up comedy was one of the hardest things he had ever done.
Even someone as accomplished as Tom Hanks did not find stand-up simple. Given his comedy background, you would think that those skills would automatically translate into greatness. However, there is a huge difference between being one person with a live microphone and being part of a scripted production. This truth isn’t limited to the comedy/comic world. There are some singers-turned-actors who have great success, like Justin Timberlake. For Timberlake, being charismatic was something he was able to translate from the music world to the film world. However, not all singers share the same success (see: Mariah Carey).
The Mariah Carey complex has happened to accomplished comedian Charlie Sheen. He was on one of the most successful comedy sitcoms on television: Two and a Half Men. Yet, when he was fired and tried to have a stand up comedy tour, he fell flat on his face. The skill of being a stand up comic is so specific that no matter who you are, to even be average at it involves starting from scratch and putting in hundreds of hours of work.
Tabacco: … and COMIC talent!
To summarize, stand-up comics develop unique skills in order to prep and deal with the live-audience environment. While being a comedian also involves a lot of skill and practice, the difference is dependent on having a cast, a script, and, often, being able to reshoot/re-do scenes that don’t work the first time. Ultimately, as a stand-up comic, if you fail on stage, the only person you have to blame is yourself. The flip side of this, of course, is that when you succeed on stage, the only person responsible and deserving of praise, adulation, and the great things that come with success is yourself.
Author Brian Roth has performed at Gotham Comedy Club, Broadway Comedy Club, Stand Up NY Comedy Club, New York Comedy Club, the People’s Improv Theater (PIT) and other clubs in NYC. He hosts the #Rothcast on BlogTalkRadio.
COMICS AS SEPARATE BUT
Tabacco: It was decades ago that I heard some funny guy answer that question, but I do not remember who he was. Although I do remember what he said (unless I have confused the two terms, that is).
According to that definition, Tabacco categorizes the following people into two separate groups (of course, there is always some overlap)!
George Carlin Carole Burnett
(7 Words You Can’t Say (Eponymous Show, except On TV) when she talked with her
audience) Great Both Ways
Jerry Seinfeld Jack Benny
Jerry is anything but funny What Benny said would not be funny coming from anyone else’s lips
Johnny Carson Martha Raye
Likeable, not funny Is there any doubt!
Stephen Colbert Red Skelton
Overlap King, only slightly King of Comedians, no doubt!
more topical than his
Lenny Bruce Phyllis Diller
Film ‘Lenny’, starred Dustin Phyllis never did Politics, but
Hoffman – serious subject she could Roast with the best
Matter of them
Abbott & Costello
The ‘Straight Man’ The Comedian
Burns & Allen
George was ‘Straight Man’ Gracie was the Comedian
even after Gracie died here
Martin & Lewis
‘Straight Men’ always get
‘Lou Grant’/Ed Asner ‘Ted Baxter/
‘The Mary Tyler-Moore Show’
Tony Randall Marilyn Monroe
Let any other woman play Marilyn’s role in ‘The 7-Year Itch’ and see how many fannies you put in those theater seats!
‘Frasier’/Kelsey Grammer ‘Niles Crane’/David Hyde Pierce
Bill Cosby ‘The Fonz’/Henry Winkler
Cos could be funny, but that The Fonz only needed a good
wasn’t his main shtick Punchline
Everyone On ‘Golden Girls’ could do either & do it well!
Ditto for Bob Hope & Mae West!
CURRENT HOLLYWOOD FUNNY GUYS
The Successes ALL belong to
Comedian Class if anywhere; that includes Jim Carrey, Steve Martin, Martin Lawrence, Chris Rock - This says more about young Audiences than it says about today’s Talent. It’s ‘Three Stooges’ or Nothing!
If you can remember what If you remember yourself
they said, they must be in rolled up in laughter, but
this Group. little of what they said, except for punchlines, or you start laughing before they begin their shtick, they belong here.
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