KILLER ROBOTS & DRONES! The United States Is On Course To Achieve War Without Risk With Autonomous Killer Machinery – A Very Dangerous Certainty! Some Will Say, “That’s Good; No Casualties!” But That Means Robots Will Determine Who Lives And Who Dies! How Long Before Those Autonomous Robots & Drones Will Be Set Loose On Americans Within The USA! Police Departments Will Demand It! And The Elite Will Deploy These “Killers” To Defend Their Own Properties And Themselves! Drones Not Yet Autonomous, But They Are Here Already! The Future Of Mankind Will Be Filled With Genocidal Wars Unless We Act To Prevent It Now! Can Others Be Far Behind! The Old Adage Was Never Truer: An Ounce Of Prevention Is Worth A Pound Of Cure!

 

WHEN MISTAKES ARE

 

MADE, WHAT DOES

 

OUR GOVERNMENT

 

CALL THOSE

 

“MISTAKES”?

 

“COLLATERAL

 

DAMAGES!”

 


 


Killer Robots have Eyes & Brains, But No Heart!

Tuesday, November 20, 2012 Full Show

Killer Robots: HRW and Nobel Laureate Jody Williams Urge Ban on Modern Warfare’s Next Frontier

http://www.democracynow.org/2012/11/20/killer_robots_hrw_and_nobel_laureate

 

Nobel Peace laureate Jody Williams is joining with Human Rights Watch to oppose the creation of killer robots — fully autonomous weapons that could select and engage targets without human intervention. In a new report, HRW warns such weapons would undermine the safety of civilians in armed conflict; violate international humanitarian law; and blur the lines of accountability for war crimes. Fully autonomous weapons do not exist yet, but high-tech militaries are moving in that direction with the United States taking the lead. Williams, winner of the 1997 Nobel Peace Prize for her work with the International Campaign to Ban Landmines, joins us along with Steve Goose, director of Human Rights Watch’s Arms Division. [Includes rush transcript]

 

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Jody Williams, winner of the 1997 Nobel Peace Prize for her work with the International Campaign to Ban Landmines. She is the chair of the Nobel Women’s Initiative.

 

Steve Goose, director of Human Rights Watch’s Arms Division.

 

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AMYGOODMAN: Killer robots? This sounds like science fiction, but a new report says fully autonomous weapons are possibly the next frontier of modern warfare. The report released Monday by Human Rights Watch and Harvard Law School is called “Losing humanity: The case against killer robots.” According to the report, these weapons would undermine the safety of civilians in armed conflict, violate international humanitarian law, and blur the lines of accountability for war crimes. Scholars, such as Noel Sharkey, Professor of Artificial Intelligence and Robotics at the University of Sheffield in England, also note that robots cannot distinguish between civilians from combatants.

 

NOELSHARKEY: There is nothing in artificial intelligence or robotics that could discriminate between a combatant and a civilian. It would be impossible to tell the difference between a little girl holding an ice cream at a robot and someone pointing a rifle at it.

 

AMYGOODMAN: Fully autonomous weapons don’t exist yet, but high-tech militaries are moving in that direction with the United States spearheading these efforts. Countries such as China, Germany, Israel, South Korea, Russia and Britain are also experimenting with the technology. Human Rights Watch and Harvard Law School’s International Human Rights Clinic are calling for an international treaty preemptively banning fully autonomous weapons. They’re also calling for individual nations to pass laws to prevent development, production and use of such weapons at the domestic level. For more, we’re joined by two guests in Washington. Steve Goose, Director of Human Rights Watch’s Arms Division, which released the new report on killer robots and Jody Williams, the Nobel Peace Prize winner who won the Peace Prize in 1997 for her work with the International Campaign to Ban Land Mines. She’s also chair of the Nobel Women’s Initiative. Her forthcoming book is called, “My Name is Jody Williams: A Vermont Girl’s Winding Path to the Nobel Peace Prize.” Steve Goose and Jody Williams, we welcome you to Democracy Now! Jody, just describe what these weapons are. Killer robots, what do you mean?

 

JODYWILLIAMS: Killer robots, when I first say that to people, they automatically think drones. Killer robots are quite different in that there is no man in the loop. As we know with drones, a human being has to fire on the target. A drone is actually a precursor to killer robots, which are weapons systems — will be weapons systems that can kill on their own with no human in the loop. It’s really terrifying to contemplate.

 

AMYGOODMAN: Steve Goose, lay them out for us, and who is developing them.

 

STEVEGOOSE: As Jody says, the frightening thing about this is that the robots themselves; the armed robots will be making the decisions about what to target and when to pull the trigger. It’s just a very frightening development. The U.S. is at the lead on this, in terms of research and development. A number of other countries have precursors and are pursuing this. Germany, Israel, South Korea, surely Russia and China, the United Kingdom; all have been doing work on this issue.

 

It is for the future. Most roboticists think it will take at least ten, maybe twenty, thirty years before these things might come on line. Although others think more crude versions could be available in just a number of years.

 

AMYGOODMAN: I want to go to a clip from a video created by Samsung Techwin Company, which talks about weapons of the future.

 

SAMSUNGVIDEO: Samsung’s surveillance and security system with the ability of detecting and tracking, as well as suppression is designed to replace human oriented guards, overcoming their limitations.

 

AMYGOODMAN: Steve Goose, explain.

 

STEVEGOOSE: Well, the system they’re talking about is not yet fully autonomous, although it could become a fully autonomous system. For that particular one, you still have the potential for a human to override the decision of the robotic system. Even there, there could be problems because the chance that a human will actually override a machine’s decision is unlikely. This is the kind of system that we’re looking at that could become fully autonomous, where you take the human completely out of the picture. They’re programmed in advance but can’t react to the variables that require human judgment.

 

AMYGOODMAN: Who is driving this? Who benefits from killer robots, as you call them?

 

STEVEGOOSE: Well, no doubt there is a lot of money to be made in these developments. Research labs for the militaries as well as universities and private companies are all engaged so far. We know billions are going into development of autonomous weapons systems; some fully autonomous and some semi-autonomous, even drones even fall under that category. Certainly, they’re going to be people in the military to see this as a great advantage because you’re taking the human off the battlefield, so you are reducing military casualties. The problem there is that you’re putting civilians at greater risk in shifting the burden of war from the military, which is trained to do this, to civilians.

 

AMYGOODMAN: I want to turn to Tom Standage, the Digital Editor at the Economist. He points out there might be a moral argument for robot soldiers, as you’ve pointed out, Steve.

 

TOMSTANDAGE: If you could build robot soldiers, you’d be able to program them not to commit war crimes, not to commit rape, not to burn down villages. They wouldn’t be susceptible to human emotions like anger or excitement in the heat of combat. So, you might actually want to entrust those decisions to machines rather than to humans.

 

AMYGOODMAN: Let’s put that to Jody Williams.

 

JODYWILLIAMS: You just had Noel Sharkey; you quoted him and Noel, who is a roboticist himself, talks about the ridiculousness of considering that robotic weapons can make those kinds of decisions. He contends that it is a simple yes-no by a machine. I think another part of the notion that people don’t think about when they want to promote developing robots is that robots cannot feel compassion or empathy. Oftentimes in war, a soldier will factor in other circumstances and making a decision whether or not to kill. A robot – it’s very unlikely they would be able to do that. Another point though, for me is, if we proceed to the point of having fully autonomous killer robots that can decide who, what, where, when, how to kill, we are putting humans at — technology will no longer be serving humans. Humans will be serving technology. When American soldiers will not have to face death on the battlefield, how much easier will it be for this country to go to war when we already go to war so easily? It really frightens me.

 

AMYGOODMAN: Jody, you 1997 Nobel Peace Prize for your work around land mines. You headed up the international campaign to ban land mines. Do you see a trajectory here in this, what, fifteen years?

 

JODYWILLIAMS: In terms of getting rid of weapons or in terms of –?

 

AMYGOODMAN: In terms of the development of weapons and also the movement that resists it.

 

JODYWILLIAMS: Yes, I do. It’s obvious that weapons are going to continue to be researched and developed, unless there are organizations like Human Rights Watch, like the Nobel Women’s Initiative and others around the world that are willing to come together and try to stop them. We who are starting to speak out against killer robots envision a very similar campaign to the campaign that banned land mines, which, by the way, also received the peace Prize in 1997. We are already working to bring together organizations to create a steering committee that would bring together a campaign to stop killer robots and strategizing at the national, regional, and international levels with partner governments, just like we did with land mines, and then Steve Goose and Human Rights Watch and other organizations did with their successful bid to ban cluster munitions in 2008.

 

AMYGOODMAN: Certainly the U.S. is on the forefront of robotic weapons. Certainly, drones fit into that category. We’re only beginning to see the movement as people laid their bodies on the line at Creech and Handford and upstate New York, the places where the drones are controlled from. But what about the U.S.’s role in all this? Let me put that question to Steve Goose.

 

STEVEGOOSE: You raised drones again and Human Rights Watch has criticized how drones have been used by the Obama administration, criticized it quite extensively but we draw a distinction here. We think of the fully autonomous weapons, the killer robots, as being beyond drones. With drones, you do have a man in the loop makes decisions about what to target and when to fire, but with fully autonomous weapons, that is going to change. It will be the robot itself that makes those determinations, which makes it – it’s the nature of the weapon, which is not really the main problem with drones. The United States — we’re getting mixed signals. Clearly, the U.S. is putting a lot of money into this and a lot of the DOD’s, the military’s planning documents show that there are a great many who believe that this is the future of warfare, that they envision moving ever more into the autonomous region and that fully autonomous weapons are both desirable and the ultimate goal.

 

AMYGOODMAN: Explain how a robot makes this decision.

 

STEVEGOOSE: It has to be programmed. It would be programmed in advance and they will give it sensors to detect various things and give it an algorithm of choices to make. But it won’t be able to have the kind of human judgment that we think is necessary to comply with international humanitarian law, where you have to be able to determine in a changing complex battlefield situation whether the military advantage might exceed the potential cost to civilians, the harm to civilians. You have to be a to make the distinction between combatants and civilians. A simple thing as simple like that could be very difficult in a murky battlefield. So, we don’t think—

 

AMYGOODMAN: Steve Goose, what about hacking?

 

STEVEGOOSE: Hacking can be a problem. The thing is, even if a killer robot sustains injuries on the battlefield, that might affect how it would be able to respond properly or there could be counter measures that are put forward by the enemy to do this as well.

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A Day Job Waiting for a Kill Shot a World Away


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/30/us/drone-pilots-waiting-for-a-kill-shot-7000-miles-away.html?pagewanted=all

Hancock Field, near Syracuse – Where’s the BRAVERY!

Partial Transcript below; to read entire Post, go to URL above!

 

HANCOCK FIELD AIR NATIONAL GUARD BASE, N.Y. — From his computer console here in the Syracuse suburbs, Col. D. Scott Brenton remotely flies a Reaper drone that beams back hundreds of hours of live video of insurgents, his intended targets, going about their daily lives 7,000 miles away in Afghanistan. Sometimes he and his team watch the same family compound for weeks.

 

Related in Opinion

·       Opinionator | The Stone: The Moral Hazard of Drones (July 22, 2012)

 


They call this drone the “Reaper”

(as in “Grim Reaper”) –

Americans are truly a

benevolent and kind hearted

People – aren’t we!

 
Heather Ainsworth for The New York Times

The Reaper is among the drones that pilots at Hancock operate, killing insurgents and protecting American troops overseas.

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“I see mothers with children, I see fathers with children, I see fathers with mothers, I see kids playing soccer,” Colonel Brenton said.

 

When the call comes for him to fire a missile and kill a militant — and only, Colonel Brenton said, when the women and children are not around — the hair on the back of his neck stands up, just as it did when he used to line up targets in his F-16 fighter jet.

 

Afterward, just like the old days, he compartmentalizes. “I feel no emotional attachment to the enemy,” he said. “I have a duty, and I execute the duty.”

 

Drones are not only revolutionizing American warfare but are also changing in profound ways the lives of the people who fly them.

 

Colonel Brenton acknowledges the peculiar new disconnect of fighting a telewar with a joystick and a throttle from his padded seat in American suburbia.

Partial Transcript; to read entire Post, go to URL above!

 

 

TABACCO: In 1945, the United States was the only country with Atom Bombs – we had just 2! Today, how many countries have Atom Bombs?

 

In 2012, the United States has a Monopoly on Drones and a HEADSTART on KILLER DRONES! But Nuclear Material is UNNECESARY! If we are using them on people in other countries, how do we object when other countries or Terrorists use them here!

 

Try to imagine “WAR OF THE WORLDS” on Main Street – but without Extraterrestrials!

 

 

Tabacco: I consider myself both a funnel and a filter. I funnel information, not readily available on the Mass Media, which is ignored and/or suppressed. I filter out the irrelevancies and trivialities to save both the time and effort of my Readers and bring consternation to the enemies of Truth & Fairness! When you read Tabacco, if you don’t learn something NEW, I’ve wasted your time.

 

Tabacco is not a blogger, who thinks; I am a Thinker, who blogs. Speaking Truth to Power!

 

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5 Responses to KILLER ROBOTS & DRONES! The United States Is On Course To Achieve War Without Risk With Autonomous Killer Machinery – A Very Dangerous Certainty! Some Will Say, “That’s Good; No Casualties!” But That Means Robots Will Determine Who Lives And Who Dies! How Long Before Those Autonomous Robots & Drones Will Be Set Loose On Americans Within The USA! Police Departments Will Demand It! And The Elite Will Deploy These “Killers” To Defend Their Own Properties And Themselves! Drones Not Yet Autonomous, But They Are Here Already! The Future Of Mankind Will Be Filled With Genocidal Wars Unless We Act To Prevent It Now! Can Others Be Far Behind! The Old Adage Was Never Truer: An Ounce Of Prevention Is Worth A Pound Of Cure!

  1. admin says:

    Not That Long Ago!

    In WWII, the USA fought the Germans, the Italians and the Japanese and side-by-side with the Russian Communists. Then we had 50-years of Cold War with the Russian Communists before they too became our Allies – more or less – along with our WWII Enemies: Germany, Italy and Japan. Who knows what tomorrow holds with regard to Allies and Enemies!

    The United States, not that long ago, was at WAR with North Korea! Now North Korea has both Atom Bombs and Missile Delivery Systems – just like the USA. Nobody will speak ill of North Korea anymore – at least not in a Militant manner! North Koreans are safe from America’s Disaster Capitalists or War Mongers!

    Today the USA is dropping Bombs, striking with Drones and trying to act like a Police State all over the Planet. There is lots of Money in Belligerence! However, we should study the Lessons of the Past less we relive them in unpleasant ways.

    Every No. 1 Military Power that ever was has FALLEN from that Pinnacle! Why should the USA be any different! The Enemies you make as you climb the Military Tyrant’s mountain, you may meet on the way down as those Enemies ascend that same mountain. As the USA had little compunction about dropping A-Bombs on the Japanese in 1945, just maybe today’s Enemies or Allies might follow that same tact against the USA in the near future. But no one will dare lay blame at our own door – at least not publicly! But we will know it anyway!

    This apparently is One Lesson we should have learned from Hitler and the Nazis, which has been totally ignored or discounted. Hitler had prior Lessons that he ignored too – like invading Russia! Cherry-Picking seems to be an Idiosyncrasy of Christians & Jews (New vs. Old Testaments) and No. 1 Military Powers (Lessons of History)!

    People and countries, which have no recent history of being invaded or having Bombs fall on their homelands, act with an air of INVINCIBILITY in Bombing others. That is America’s MAJOR FLAW! One day we may pay dearly for our current ARROGANCE!

    Tabacco

  2. admin says:

    Morsi Enacts Egyptian Constitution After Referendum Approved
    http://www.democracynow.org/2012/12/26/headlines#12265

    Egyptian President Mohamed Morsi has signed into law a new constitution following its approval by voters in a contentious referendum. Morsi enacted the document after official results showed it received more than 63 percent support in two rounds of voting. Opponents had criticized the referendum process for its exclusion of secular voices from drafting the constitution and alleged cases of fraud when it went to a vote.

    Republished by Tabacco
    PS The Greatest Revolution in World History was soon followed by Napoleon Bonaparte and European Wars. Egypt’s Successor to Mubarak, Mohamed Morsi, has been equally as DETRIMENTAL to his own country as Napoleon and Mubarak were to theirs.

    There is always a fox or a rat lurking in the bushes to exploit any REGIME CHANGE – all Revolutionaries must beware!

  3. admin says:

    Whatever Happened To ‘The Land Of The Free And The Home Of The BRAVE’?

    U.S. Resumes Drone Attacks in Yemen
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    A U.S. drone strike in Yemen has killed at least two people. The victims in Sunday’s attack were described as suspected al-Qaeda militants. It was the second U.S. drone strike in Yemen in less than a week after several months of quiet. The week’s first bombing killed five people in the village of Wessab. A native of the village, Yemeni writer and activist Farea al-Muslimi, criticized the use of drones instead of attempting to arrest the suspects on the ground. Al-Muslimi wrote: “We used to think that drone strikes were a localized problem, with villages far from the Yemeni capital being spared. This is no longer the case. It seems no part of Yemen is safe from U.S. drones.”
    http://www.democracynow.org/2013/4/22/headlines#4224

    Afghan Government Accuses CIA in Deadly Air Strike
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    The Afghan government is accusing the CIA of responsibility for a U.S. air strike that killed 17 Afghan civilians, including 12 children, earlier this month. The victims were killed after violence broke out between militants and U.S. forces. A CIA employee who headed a covert group of paramilitaries was also killed. A spokesperson for Afghan President Hamid Karzai said: “It was a CIA operation using a security structure that was in full service of the CIA and run by the CIA.” At the White House last week, McClatchy reporter Amina Ismail asked White House Press Secretary Jay Carney whether the strike can be considered a form of terrorism.

    Amina Ismail: “President Obama said that what happened in Boston was an act of terrorism. I would like to ask, do you consider the U.S. bombing on civilians in Afghanistan earlier this month that killed — that left 11 children and a woman killed a form of terrorism? Why or why not?”

    White House Press Secretary Jay Carney: “Well, I would have to know more about the incident, and obviously the Department of Defense would have answers to your questions on this matter.”
    http://www.democracynow.org/2013/4/22/headlines#4225

    Tabacco: Americans used to extol the BRAVERY of our Soldiers – but no more. How Brave do you have to be to sit in a secure military installation in the continental USA and direct Drones to kill people in the Middle East!

    And it seems our White House Press Secretaries and US Presidents are no Braver than our Military Drone Operators! We must alter the words to read ‘The Land of the Misinformed, Home of the Cowardly’ (but I don’t know how that will fit with the musical score)

    It would seem that our Soldiers are no better than the 2 brothers who bombed Boston. That’s a Distinction Without A Difference! Ditto for our President and his Press Secretary!

  4. admin says:

    THE ‘CRIMINAL GROUP’ THAT SHOULD BE ON DEATH ROW IN PRISON, BUT ISN’T!

    DISASTER CAPITALISTS, that’s who!

    These people, who own, run and invest in Big Oil, Military Contracting, Munitions Manufacturers & Military Suppliers, Domestic Gun Producers & NRA mouthpieces, should be in Prisons on Death Row because these DISASTER CAPITALISTS support Genocide, Murder, Disfigurement & Amputations for PROFIT using the 2nd Amendment and “National Defense” as EXCUSES for these ABOMINATIONS!

    Then when a Tim McVeigh, a Terry Nichols, a Jonestown, a 9/11, a School Massacre or other major killing spree occurs, we blame the Actual Perpetrators and completely disregard the MAJOR CULPRITS – these Disaster Capitalists in the background, who make Average People strike out against mostly innocent fellow Americans and innocent children because these Futile, Angry Americans are unable or unaware of the REAL CAUSES of their FUTILITY and how to strike these CAPITALIST BASTARDS!

    When George W. Bush lies us into the Iraq War, we justify that Atrocity (after the fact when we know it was utter deception on Bush’s part) by saying, “Saddam Hussein committed atrocities against his own people!” WE DIDN’T GO TO WAR BECAUSE OF ACTUAL ATROCITIES AGAINST IRAQIS; WE WENT TO WAR BECAUSE OF ERRONEOUSLY ‘PERCEIVED’ ATROCITIES AGAINST AMERICANS! Don’t allow the Sophists to change the subject – we’re talking Apples here, not Oranges! Save your Venom for the True Villains: the Businessmen & Politicians, who got us into the Iraq War in the first place. That Group includes all, who supported the War in ignorance and those Democratic Politicians, who voted FOR WAR! You also are RESPONSIBLE!

    Of course, not every Calamity fits neatly into this description – don’t try to pick out the Exceptions and ignore the Rule – I’m not having it! And neither should you!

    Let’s put the BLAME where it belongs – on those, who PROFIT FROM WAR & GUN SALES without Principle or Ethics!

    Tabacco

  5. admin says:

    OBAMA’S DRONES & GEOMETRIC PROGRESSION!

    Tabacco just viewed TV program on HBO entitle ‘Vice’. It covered 2 subjects: 1) Scrapers and 2) US Drone Attacks inside Pakistan.

    Re US Drone Attacks on Pakistan, the program makes it clear that drone attacks are NOT accurate and certainly NOT devoid of COLLATERAL DAMAGES. It seems that the Boston Bombing is only the beginning. Obama sends Drones into Pakistan, which occasionally kill a Terrorist + Women and Children (aka COLLATERAL DAMAGES).

    The Taliban then recruits ANGRY PAKISTANIS into their organization, who will become SUICIDE BOMBERS – about 100 RECRUITS for every Drone Attack.

    So instead of diminishing the Taliban, Drone Attacks increase Taliban Membership a hundred-fold. The Taliban thanks President Obama for swelling its ranks! It seems Pakistani women and children and suicide bombers dying bothers them about as much as American Casualties bother Obama or bothered George W. Bush.

    But there is Good News! Manufacturers of Drones have orders for more Drones so their business is assured for years to come. In addition, our soldiers in upstate New York, who operate those KILLER DRONES, have longterm jobs. And the only downside to Drone Attacks is some Retaliation by Pakistani Sympathizers, which kill some Americans. But that’s a small price to pay for DRONE MANUFACTURER PROFITS!

    Tabacco

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